Public school police state: thousands of children arrested, fined for minor disturbances
Call it “zero tolerance gone wild.” As public schools are now crawling with police patrols, hundreds of thousands of public school children as young as six are nailed with arrests, community service, and fines yearly for infractions as small as paper airplanes, failure to clean up crumbs from the lunchroom floor, and “disrupting class.” The Guardian reports how British officials are studying to learn from American mistakes:
Each day, hundreds of schoolchildren appear before courts in Texas charged with offences such as swearing, misbehaving on the school bus or getting in to a punch-up in the playground. Children have been arrested for possessing cigarettes, wearing “inappropriate” clothes and being late for school.
In 2010, the police gave close to 300,000 “Class C misdemeanour” tickets to children as young as six in Texas for offences in and out of school, which result in fines, community service and even prison time. What was once handled with a telling-off by the teacher or a call to parents can now result in arrest and a record that may cost a young person a place in college or a job years later. . . .
The number of school districts in the state with police departments has risen more than 20-fold over the past two decades.
“Zero tolerance started out as a term that was used in combating drug trafficking and it became a term that is now used widely when you’re referring to some very punitive school discipline measures. Those two policy worlds became conflated with each other,” said Fowler. . . .
Such cases are not limited to Texas. In one notorious instance in California, a school security officer broke the arm of a girl he was arresting for failing to clear up crumbs after dropping cake in the school canteen. In another incident, University of Florida campus police tasered a student for pressing Senator John Kerry with an awkward question at a debate after he had been told to shut up.
Teachers’ Unions and many teachers themselves like the arrangement because it absolves them of responsibility for disciplining children and for the results of that discipline, though they prefer to praise the setup for its efficiency and necessity. It’s very likely a combination of both:
“Teachers rely on the police to enforce discipline,” says Simpkins. “Part of it is that they’re not accountable. They’re not going to get into trouble for it. The parent can’t come in and yell at them. They say: it’s not us, it’s the police.”
That view is not shared by an Austin teacher who declined to be named because he said he did not want to stigmatise the children in his class.
“There’s this illusion that it’s just a few kids acting up; kids being kids. This is not the 50s. Too many parents today don’t control their children. Their fathers aren’t around. They’re in gangs. They come in to the classroom and they have no respect, no self-discipline. They’re doing badly, they don’t want to learn, they just want to disrupt. They can be very threatening,” he says. “The police get called because that way the teacher can go on with teaching instead of wasting half the class dealing with one child, and it sends a message to the other kids.”
The Texas State Teachers Association, the state’s main teachers union, did not take a position on ticketing at the recent debate in the legislature over Whitmire’s proposal to scrap it. But the association’s Clay Robison says that most teachers welcome the presence of police in schools.
The entire article is long, but well worth the read. The decline of ethics and discipline in schools is evident; the failed response of police force is alarming. But then again, public schooling is an institution based in violence to begin with: coercive property taxation. It is an institution in which no Christian should have a part. See my lectures on restoring freedom in education.
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Exactly when the Union took over our country's education, with the highest cost per student, education went in the toilet. Thank you Teachers Union enjoy the fruits of your deceit, highest paid lowest productivity!!
I am a very conservative Christian Missionary to inner city youth and their families in New Orleans. The murder rate in my city is ten times higher, per capita, than that of New York City. I have direct experience with many disruptive young people every day. Also, I have close family members who teach in inner city public schools here in the “City That Care Forgot”. Many teachers here have been beaten up by students. One teacher I know was in her class room when a Security Guard was dragged into her class, beaten and bloodied, and thrown on top of her desk to wait for the ambulance. That same teacher saw two male teachers dragged down the stairs by their heads. I have also known many wonderful inner city youth who strive hard to succeed and who are greatly helped and encouraged by wonderful and dedicated teachers. Louisiana is a Right To Work State. We do not have a large union force here. And the Teachers’ Union in our city is almost non existent. Teachers here are under paid and greatly over worked. There is no recourse for a teacher who is beaten up. Our teachers have no contracts and can be fired for any unproven charge by any student or by anyone else. Charter Schools have the right politically correct sound. But, students who do not score well on standardized tests are defenseless and are often driven out by principals who need high scorers in order to keep their charter or obtain funding. Many end up in the streets and many end up as violent criminals or victims of violent crime. Many, like my young neighbor who was murdered yesterday, end up dead (hence our high murder rate!). Teachers in Charter Schools are vulnerable to the whims and ambitions of their principals. They often end up working late into the nights and on weekends, grading papers, talking with parents, doing paperwork and basically laying down their lives for their students and for their community. Harsh criticisms and pat answers will never solve the troubles in our public school system. As long as human beings have sin, public institutions will fall short. I have discovered by hard and extensive experience that the real problems lie in the heart. Our hearts are far from God. Our hearts are seeking solutions by more and more government or institutional controls. The only way our schools – and our country – can return to excellence and order is to return to our founding principles of faith and freedom.
Let's see – 10 Commandments in school – out! Prayer in school – out! Any mention of God's standards of morality and conduct in school – out! Patriotism, respect for authority in school (unless it is for another country or culture) – out! And we have problems – what a surprise! As a poster I once saw read, "If things keep going badly, perhaps you're doing it wrong."
Look's like a child abuse by proxy to me. Where's Social Services @ on this one?
I signed up so I could comment, but see, Bill S., that you have said it for me. YES! We let them take God out of the schools, now they wonder why they have to replace him with police!
What we need to take out of the school system is the federal government. They are entrenched, and it will take awhile but one goal should be "no more federal Education Department." Then teach morality (and btw, that IS Christianity) – then hopefully the next generation will restore that teaching in their homes.
It has nothing to do with any of that nonsense. The article is mostly about TEXAS teachers. What does texas have more of than most states, illegals!!! all with ¨legal" children who go to school. All that texas has to do is enforce existing law and get them out. Problem solved
I have worked as a Custodian and just retired as a Head Custodian at a Jr High School in Lansing, Michigan… 39 Plus years… I have seen it all … you are right taking all that out of your school did not help… but todays kids are not like us… they will tell you to f that . rip the school apart.. my school is only 4 years old… but saying all that.. we do have some kids who are really Great… and are trying to do good… and they do… but we have kids having kids.. gangs members in there… parents that do not care. or my kid did nothing wrong.. even when you show them the tape.. don't care… I do feel sorry for the kids of today… I do feel home School is the best way to go… and the rest is stuck in this life of a School… so what can we do to help change this… and this is going on in all School Dist…. Randy…
Its all about conditioning children to obey authority without question or thought … we saw this in 1930's Germany and during seventy-five years of communist rule in the Soviet Union. I guarantee the majority of today's American middle school students can easily recite 'the rules' but know not the Preamble of the Constitution … much less the First through Tenth Amendments. Sadly the bulk of blame can be placed on their own parents for abdicating their parental rights to the far-left unions and educational administrators. How many parents actually come out to vote in local school board elections? How many parents do NOT attend school open houses and parent/teacher conferences? How many parents review the subject matter and materials teachers are using? How many parents care more about playground gossip than the content of their child's education? Will they care when their own children have them arrested for 'incorrect political thoughts'? This is the making of a young generation of American Marxists … and it is NOT too late to stop it.
it has nothing to do with forcing children under a nazi style rule. the problem is that we have so many laws in place preventing parents from being parents and no school teachers, admin staff or whom ever are allowed to enforce school policy and dicipline onto disruptive kids with out the threat of civil or crimminal liability. so, the kids run amuck and no one is allowed to do anything about it. all a kid has to do is blame their parents or a school official of abuse and/or some form of assault when confronted and that's all it takes to get the police and lawyers involved. it happens all the time. as far as i'm concerned, disruptive kids should be expelled and never allowed to come back to that school district. so the parents will need to home school. lastly, i think the gov needs to get out of the education business, period. no more state run schools. they all should be privatized.
Government is no longer in the 'education' business but now in the 'indocrination' business of having children becoming soldiers who do not question authority. I agree with you that many schools have become disruptive due to policies engineered to break down the social structure of true education, parent rights, discipline and a teacher's freedom to actually teach or instruct. The manipulations of the so-called progressive movement has brought our country to its knees after years of causing nothing but trouble from the classroom to home, business, sports and the political arena. For years these social engineers and their useful idiots have worked in the shadows knowing full well they could not go against a Judeo/Christian, Constitutional Republic and Free Market society head on. Today these progressives are emerging from their hiding places smelling victory and seeing that their silent agenda is toppling American, proud of the confusion amongst its citizens and happy to see what chaos they hath wrought.
Whip the teachers, the Principal, and suspend the little asses then whip their parents.
I find it funny that Jackbooted authoritarian soocialists in the UK are going to look at and learn from the mistakes of Jackbooted authoritarian soocialists in the US. If Jackbooted authoritarian soocialists were able to learn from the mistakes of others they wouln't be Jackbooted authoritarian soocialists.
marx/engles considered government schools so important they included them as a plank of the manifesto.
plus there is the secdary attack on private property through property taxes, another plank.
the kids arrested are NO DOUBT self expressing conservatives ; defying the governments attempt to sterilize their brains into liberalism.
Yeah the umm, University of Florida "Don't taze me bro!" person was not a 'kid', and the debate was on private property, and he refused to return the microphone, and started getting rowdy. Completely different scenario and wholly justified.
Come on, Joel, surely you have seen the ridiculous ordeal.
All I did was quote the article. Not my claim.
Oh, right, that's the part in quotes.
This article doesn't say anything about the U of FL student being a "kid" ~ he was still a STUDENT, however.
Even though the student may have been disruptive, this is still a touchy situation. More and more we see threats to speech in the "public square." If they want to control the student because of disruptive behavior, I understand that. However, if this situation escalated because he wasn't given the opportunity to speak opposing views points, I understand the frustration, but do not excuse his behavior.
it shouldn't be a surprise that both states mentioned having severe behavior problems with their students are the two top schools with the largest number of illegal aliens and this is only the beginning!
This is why our children rank so low in the overall scope of education, teachers who do not take responsibility. There are parents that do not take responsibility for their children, it is a parents responsibility to teach their children how to behave along with morals instead of taking them to McDonalds playland and letting them lose!
I make it a point to walk up to parents whose children are behaving and compliment them on how well their children are behaving! Trust me it is not often!
How sad for future generations!
Wonder how many parents that this generation even give a crap about their kids education? The schools are a mere babysitter here. Bring home 2-3 hrs. of homework, and where are the parents to sit down and help. Haven't seen much of that in my parts. Here they are screamed at to get it done and if they need help…LOOK IT UP. Thats how they do it here. The teachers sit ion the lounge while the kids teach themselves….. I sat down with MY children doing homework and they have all turned out great. Honor students. But I can tell ya, It wasn't from the teaching at school! For 3 hrs. a night we spent on homework in the 2nd grade!I Asked my child, "what did she tell you". He said nothing, just handed us this new packet and told us to get it done by a certain date. This is a SECOND grader and had NO teaching of the subject. Just handed a packet and told to do it. It's the parents fault that the teachers are not doing their jobs. Its up to you to see what they teach, or don't teach and make sure they get it done. HOMESCHOOL! WHY pay them for the LITTLE they do! i was teaching my child WHILE he was going to school. I took my middle son out and it made a HUGE difference!
These days in order to be a teacher, you should also be a cop. If they do not want to learn, put them to work. . . That will fix the problem real quick. I know, I am a radical. . .
I’ll bet that a bunch of it is from the teachers and school administration remembering what they did as kids.
A side note to whoever designed this site: How about putting the comments in black on a white background so people can read them?
GOOD IDEA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Several years ago a measure was put on the ballot here in my state of Colorado that basically asked if you wanted the government to tell you how to raise your kids. I laughed and thought how ludicrous that question was and surely it would be voted down. I was wrong…it did pass. Now, as a parent, if you discipline your children, the government will discipline you. If you spank your child at home and he/she tells the teacher at school; the next day the sheriff is at your door and you go to jail; through the whole court process; then you end up going to anger management classes and child rearing classes while your child gloats that you got in trouble. There were three articles of different incidences with this scenario in the Denver newspapers.
What kind of message does this send to children who are angry with their parents???? I would not be a parent in this day and age.
A question a parent in the anger management classes should ask- "Do you know for a fact this will improve my child's behavior, or is this just another nice sounding theory which will get beaten up by a brutal gang of facts?"
God believes in discipline, but also believes in balance. Breaking someones arm because of breadcrumbs left on the floor is not dicipline, but abuse. I have to admit, children and teens are getting out of hand in the schools, as parents are letting them [ not all parents ]. That's why, when my kids use to ride the bus to school, my daughter had a big problem with the boys trying to grope her and from then on I drove them to school. I knew nothing would have gotten done, so I took matters in my own hands. In the bible God says that if a child continully doesn't listen, continues to fight back, then they are to be taken to the elders of the church and if that doesn't work then further actions would have occured. God knew what to do, but man doesn't listen to him anymore and by such, in many ways, are making things worse…because man thinks he has all the answers. All of us had better get back to God or we are going to see worse things happening.
You're right. "…spare the rod, spoil the child…" However, if you do attempt to discipline your child these days, according to the Bible, you'll be charged and probably have a felony record to boot. Figure that one out.
Though my husband is a teacher, we homeschool our children. As he is a teacher & coach, I see and hear a great deal about what kids are doing and the choices their parents make. One thing that many don't realize is that even the "good" parents don't really parent their children. They are in day-orphanages from the time they are babies, then they move on to the public school at age 5. The school has before and after childcare until they are old enough to be in activities/sports so that the children are away from their parents for 10-11 hours 5 days each week. It is very common for children, from elementary to high school, to stay overnight at friends' homes several nights each week. Add in to the mix internet access on their cell phones and music on their I-Pods and you have children who are being raised by their peers and a mind full of entertainment/music that has no parental oversight at all.
Again, as I interact (as a coach's wife) with the "successful" families I see that this is the norm for most families. It is shocking to see parents absolutely abdicate their responsibility of training and protecting their children. As long as the kids get good grades, have athletic success and don't get caught for drugs or alcohol the parents seem to think that all is well. Meanwhile, the stuff that goes on makes my jaw drop.
Children are not being raised by their parents anymore. Schools can not replace them and discipline gets more and more difficult. It is no surprise then that they are coming to rely on the heavy hand of the police.
I think you really nailed it here Erin. This is true because we live in a rat race….nary a parent who has the TIME to be so involved with their children that they can get into the details. We need sound money in this country again to get back to the IMPORTANT things in life being taken care of.
It's a beginning and it is vital in this day and time,,,,but, until the parent's are held responsible it's a total waste of time. How
about parental training, and then we are starting at the root of the problem. Many, many of today's parents were raised
under the same premise and have no idea what parenting really means .True love is Tough love! Not disciplining our
children with training of ethnic, social, culttural understanding, and common respect and courtesy is a disgrace to our
nation. That is NOT parenting with true love. Start with the parents, perhaps a school enrollment requirement, so many
hours per week per family, for two weeks, one month or whatever deemed necessary prior to child enrollment. It will
absolutely payback whatever costs are involved.
While I agree with you that something must be done to teach parents, putting the state in charge of that as well is a VERY slippery slope. I would never want the government to have such powers as to decide on what makes a "qualified parent". They already are beginning to expand their definition of child abuse so as to remove children from non-abusive homes. Having a mandatory government led parent training system would be the end of Christian parenting.
There already are Head Start and ECFE programs with the premise of helping parents learn how to parent. I attended one ECFE session and was quite surprised at what was discussed during the "parent time". The teacher did her best to describe "tough love" by encouraging boundaries and discipline (not spanking, of course!) but until the entire culture changes, good luck getting selfish hedonistic people to want to sacrifice any time, energy, social standing or "stuff" for the sake of their child's character.
the police state is also beefing up any avenue for revenue generating as well. They need money bad and every 100 fine helps. How very disgusting that war for profit and prisons for profit and a state that has to get crafty with children in order to turn a buck. GOD PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE elect Ron Paul! PLEASE! http://www.c-span.org/Campaign2012/Ron-Paul-Hosts…
The rat race and lack of time for parents to do the parenting is BECAUSE OF THIS VERY REASON RIGHT HERE. I get stealing by a starving indivdual…okay I get it….but to be FILTHY RICH and bail yourself out to get cash and buy up hard assets to ride out the crash coming while others starve AND AND AND AND AND pay the bill on top of it….IS SURREAL the sickness in character. We are being run by a totally UNETHICAL OLIGARCHY that puts everything on the wage earner's back….EVERYTHING. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o-pav_yPFkI&fe… DO YOU UNDERSTAND….so long as the wage earner accepts for his labor federal reserve notes….Ben Bernanke can rob them of trillions of dollars through inflation but hard cash and ultimately hard assets such as gold and land that the wealthy buy up to save their ass!!!!! WHILE WE ROT.
To me,this is a result of parents and teachers not being able to punish their kids/students for doing something wrong.Then the kids cry child abuse.You do something wrong,one way or another,you will be held accountable!
Yet more evidence of how our society is crumbling directly due to activism. Bring back traditional Judeo-Christian values and this will stop.
But then again, that is enemy of these progressives so it must be banned and replaced with their secular nazisist policies.
What's wrong with this picture? It is really nothing more than the type of behavior expected from the Progresive (?) Levt! These teachers want no accountability, but do want control and throw all the discipline to the Police, making them the "bad guys." I can well remember the time when teachers exercised both control and discipline, and it did not mean jail time, community service or a criminal record that can drastically reduce career choices. Swollen hands from a strapping in school was more likely to limit bad behavior. Now the Left won't let you discipline your students, or, ir you're a parent, your children. No! Now it's throw them in jail and give them a record. Unfortunately we are reaping what we sowed when we let the Left take over the education system!
The kids doing extreme bad thingsshould be arrested.BUT…it's the treatment of kids doing minor things like,not cleaning
up their crumbs or making paper airplanes that's OUTRAGEOUS! Breaking a little girl's arm? Tasing a boy' because he
wanted to execise his Constitutional Right to Free Speech by asking John Kerry a question? On top of that,teachers aren't
allowed to paddle bad kids but it's ok for security guards or cops to tase children or break their arms is ok? If I was a parent
and had children in these schools,I'd take them out THEN…Sue the schools for REAL child abuse! Someone should abuse
these teachers,principals and guards and let them see how THEY like it!
My husband, a teacher, grabbed a child's arm as it was pulled back ready to punch another child. The one who was stopped from punching the other glared at my husband and spat our the words, "My Mom will sue!!!" There are horrible teachers, but even the good ones are stymied by the failed system.
The debasement of, traditional and classical knowledge, individualism and independent thinking is necessary if a government is to control its citizens and convince them to accept an ideology that a legitimate education would cause them to reject. Liberlism in our schools degrades the family, parental responsibility and most other concepts our country was founded on.
Consider this statement by Vladimir Lenin.
“Give me four years to teach the children and the seed I have sown will never be uprooted.”
Our primarily liberal controlled public education system now has our children for seven hours a day, five days a week for thirteen years.
Lenin’s statement is not wholly true! Even a seedling can be uprooted and replaced. The problem in public education is getting to that seedling before it matures into a full blown tree. The ideology prevalent in modern public education is primarily controlled by liberals. In fact, in practice, liberals do everything they can to prevent conservatism from being taught in public schools. If it somehow creeps into education they do all they can to minimalize its impact. They don’t want that seedling they planted to be disturbed. They know that once a tree grows into a gnarly thorn tree in society, it will take a long time to uproot it and replace it with a mature oak. Socialists know this full well. They got their initial direction from Vladimir Lenin and John Dewey.
Dewey quote.
"The mere absorption of facts and truths is so exclusively an individual affair that it tends very naturally to pass into selfishness. There is not obvious social motive for the acquirement of mere learning, there is no clear social gain in success thereat."
When I taught 1998-2003 at a high school in Texas, I could talk to the students and give them detention. If they did not show up for detention, I could double their detention and call their parents. The parents rarely cared. Then, I could send it up to the administration. More often than not, the administration talked to the kids and that was it. There was little support and little recourse. I was at the mercy of these kids unless they ticked off the administration themselves. Parents, including other teachers took their children's side against me half the time. The administration wanted to keep parents happy. It was a MESS. The kids that wanted to be there were trapped with those who didn't. We removed vocational programs to prepare everyone for college. Not everyone wants to or should go to college. So, we trapped kids who could be learning vocations in classes that were too tough and didn't interest them. It was a MESS! Now, I homeschool and am loving the freedom and discipline I have. It is so different teaching kids that know they are under my authority.
This is part of the reason my family has homeschooled from the start. Most teachers like most doctors don't deserve the role society has given them anymore. They both just manage information and drugs. It's not about a love for learning or health anymore. Be ready to flee the country if Obama gets a second term. He will come after any free entity in his way that keeps him from controlling the hearts and minds of his subjects.
When i went to school we never had this going on.
The problem is nobody is taking responsibility for their kids. Often it is because they are afraid to because of the absurd over reach of the government in the first place. More often it is all of the useless illegal immigrants whom are failures as parents because they have no leg to stand on. They are criminals for coming here illegally and their kids know it. Often it is also all of these climber, upwardly mobile types whom have done nothing in parenting other than contribute the raw materials. They spend the rest of their lives climbing and keeping up with or surpassing the Jones' next door to the abandonment of their kids, and family values; naturally many and most of those marriages end in divorce and then the same screwed up idiots that have messed the kids up to start with go on to argue how single parents can so provide proper upbringing all the while the kids are messed up on drugs, have every kind of behavioral problem and of course grow into messed up adults often permanently acquainted with the penal system. All the while the lying, messed up, worthless parents just keep making excuses instead of owning up to their failures, trying to improve themselves to be better and decent people and then influence their offspring in the right direction. A child is like raw clay; mold it right and you have a great kid. Mess things up and you ruin a developing human being. Of course none of the self-made idiots in this bereft mess known as America will ever get any of this much less admit it if they do understand it. The problem with America is Americans !!!!!
Makes me glad I haven't put any descendants out to endure this abuse of legal power. The appropriate song is on Frank Zappa's 'We're Only In It For the Money' album and titled 'Mama Mama'. We've seen the warnings and ignored them to our demise…
this is horrible. This is the system gone wild. It needs to go back to the schools and parents. Getting arrested or fined
for doing what kids have been doing for centuries. Come on people. Find out what your kids schools policy on things are
and CHANGE them if there this carried away.
This article is irresponsible!
It doesn't do any research into these cases but just reports them.
It also doesn't mention that the police are also at the schools to help protect the schools especially since Columbine
It also only points out fault and like most people that complain never offer a solution.
Teachers and Administration have always been easy targets and until parents and the community gets on our side then the disrespect will only become greater
aaaaaamen to Anthony, exactly right in your comment.
Why do you think we have confiscatory federal and state income taxes, along with confiscatory property taxes??? So both parents have to work just to pay the bills. We have to attack the tax system, so one parent can stay at home and care for the children.
Now, we have both parents paying tribute to the government so the government can violate their rights, indoctrinate their children, and set up a totalitarian regime as a result.
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This isn’t the best example of parenting, but I don’t think it’s worth arresting the mother. A memorial tattoo for his brother isn’t the kind of thing he will regret later in life, and this certainly isn’t cruelty!
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WE used to respect the right to learn, the right of children to come to school ready to learn. Schools are now applying the next line of defense on behalf of parents who sent their children to school ready to learn, not ready to disrupt: call in the police and follow through with the plan for dealing with disruptions when parents abdicate responsibility for teaching civility to their children and enforcing such at home. More in a separate entry.
The principal calls the parents of the disruptive child. The parents tell the principal that they don't know what to do with their own child. Or the parents say it's not their problem on school time. Or the parent says they will come to pick up their child right away when called at 10AM, and shows up at 3PM. Meanwhile, the principal either returns the child to the classroom, or sits the child in another teacher's room, or holds the child in the office which is filling up with more of the same. And the principal orders the teacher to send some work for the child to do. The teacher has to stop teaching the kids ready to learn, again, and gather worksheets, and other busy work stuff that won't get accomplishe by the rebellious student. What's the next step? Call in the National Guard? It could happen.
We need to protect those children who come to school ready to learn and stop putting them on hold. When the deviants become ready to learn, they can join the ready bunch. Until then, protect the rights of those children who come to school ready to learn. Set up more alternative schools where the deviants can get a more appropriate education in smaller bytes, and counseling in larger bytes. The alternative as such helps those parents who really have no clue about parenting, or who are unable to parent due to their own issues. Guess who will be the CNAs in the nursing homes, people! Guess who will be running for electorate positions, and it isn't always those who came to school ready to learn on time…. we are all in this together.
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